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Post by Aiko on Oct 10, 2008 19:50:52 GMT -5
Alright, in this board's description it said that i can include "questions that might be itching my mind" and well... i have a few. >.>
1) BABIES! ...*fiddles with fingers* um, with the curse, what happens to babies? o.0 do they just not happen then? just curious.
2) HAIR! ...um, you know how it says that nothing can undergo timely changes, basically, well, with hair... can it still grow? or does it just stay the same length all the time---so if it was cut then it could be like that forever? and then if you shaved your head while in the cursed area then you'd be a baldy for forever? or does it just always grow back to the same length... so your hair cant get any shorter or longer then the original style?
3) PLANTS! ...can they have seeds? do they undergo seasonal changes or just stay alive, and thriving, for all eternity?
but then again that sprouts ((haha, sprouts! do you get it? its a... pun... )) another question, leading to sleep and food consumption.... if a plant does not hibernate during the winter/fall times, then technically the human body shouldn't sleep, either. and then there's always the question about food, because during winter plants don't get a much light, which helps in the food process for them, so can a human starve themselves or does it somewhat 'heal' like all other bodily functions do...? 0.o
but technically that's impossible because of the energy input/output process law which states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed so really they can't just starve themselves and live... i mean, even for healing they have to eat a lot for that because of the calories burned and stuff.... ._.
alright, call me a nerd, but seriously... can you at least answer my baby question? T.T
thanks... even theories or discussions are nice for kinda-answers.... -.-
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Post by Emro Deucalion and Elspeth on Oct 10, 2008 23:27:06 GMT -5
Well, in my opinion. I think that since you age slowly. Once the baby is expelled from the womb. It would proceed to age slowly. So the baby would be screwed.
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Post by Aiko on Oct 10, 2008 23:39:37 GMT -5
i suppose i see what you're saying... although i dont recall that age slowly concept; but if it does say that, then i can see how that would suck for the baby and the mother... the mother would be preg for a long, long time and then the baby's intelligence would grow before its body did, don't you think?
and if what you're saying is true about the age slowly thing, then everything else should be affected in the same way. slower plant seasonal changes... slower hair growth... but at the same time, the faster healing power doesnt make sense. -.-
unless the point is to stay the same as you did when you can in---so that if you were wounded when you entered the curse, you'd be forever wounded, in that same almost-death stage; and if you were preg when you came into the curse, it'd be stuck in that stage. as for the hair, then it would grow back to the original style that it had came from. intelligence, of course, is ever expanding so only your perspectives could change once you entered the house... and of course clothes, etc... *sigh*
sooo... slow babies or no babies? 0.o
the small things are what affect the bigger factors, honestly... -.-
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Post by Emro Deucalion and Elspeth on Oct 10, 2008 23:50:26 GMT -5
Well, here is another thought. If you were wounded when you came into the mansion. Would the healing factor come into affect. Because it says wounds heal faster in the mansion.
Where do you see seasonal changes, because I don't see that in the story.
Id say slow babies
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Post by Aiko on Oct 11, 2008 0:01:20 GMT -5
yes, i know that seasons weren't mentioned in the story/plot paragraphs but its a plot hole. just because something isn't mentioned in these things doesn't mean that it doesn't matter or exist...
the reason i say seasonal changes is because even though time has stopped at the houses, time goes on outside. so, of course, the place is effected by weather and seasons, etc. but the plants, living things ("The inhabitants found themselves not being able to age" plants are inhabitants too), shed their leaves in the winter and things like that.... so they're affected by time and timelessness at the same time. the question is, which is more powerful? time or timelessness? do the plants keep their normal rhyme, or does the curse cause them to be more 'healthy' and not have to hybernate during the winter?
and yes i've already pondered the wound-affect. i had said: "...so that if you were wounded when you entered the curse, you'd be forever wounded, in that same almost-death stage..." however, my friend, if you go with the slow baby theory then technically you would and could heal over this "timeless time", only slowly. like the slow baby.
do you get what im trying to say? 0.o
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Post by Emro Deucalion and Elspeth on Oct 11, 2008 0:13:53 GMT -5
1. You see in the descriptions in the sub-board of the Front Gates, it says:
Or the yard whatever you want to call it,the yard is huge very big and has lot's of space to run around.There is the garden off to the side,when it's the summer or spring you can watch the flowers come into bloom and the flowers also bloom on the grass in the yard.
Or, we are only affected by timlessness. The plants may not be affected at all. The curse probably only affects humans.
I sort of get what you said. but, if you enter wounded, then the healing curse comes into affect, and you wouldn't be forever wounded you would be healed. Note the plot.
Well. If you have a baby...it won't age. But you still can give birth, because of the whole sperm+egg=baby. The whole fetus process goes, because the fetus is just a parasitic creature that forms over time and somehow becomes human. Not ages. Then I guess the baby would forever be trapped as a baby.
I've dwelled on the thought of hair. Since hair and nails are just protien, and not cells like flesh. They won't grow back? I dunno. In all science fiction/X-men/Heroes things. When someone cuts their hair, it doesn't grow back, because it isn't cells. Which is why we dont bleed and scream in udder terror when it falls. So I'd say it won't grow back.
Time and Timelessness-
It isn't that time stops here. We just don't age. You can not age and still have time go on. This place of course had Night/Day, Weather and Seasons. It isn't timelessness, we just don't age. I think of the mansion, like a place that appears to people, like a vortex we are trapped in.
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Post by Ember !! Yomi on Oct 11, 2008 10:25:58 GMT -5
I'm only going to say something about one of them, and it's only because it would effect one of my characters. XD
I would think it would heal just as quickly as it would if you got hurt while in the house, if you got wounded outside. The reason I say this is because I read the admins thread, where she pulled a slave through the gates and he was healed pretty quickly. I'm just saying that she had that thread, so when I made David the only reason I found for the boy that fought would end up in such a place, was if he was hurt and fell through the gate.
If the wounds never healed, David would be dead. Three stabs in those places would kill someone. The way i wrote it out, I guess it could take a few days to heal if you came form the outside, I guess your getting use to the mansion by that? Because I made him be out for almost three days (I think), so it could have taken him that long to heal!
I only said something because it made me think of my character, and how it would effect him if it came out that they wouldn't heal. So there's my short thoughts. XP
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Post by Jester on Oct 11, 2008 10:55:35 GMT -5
About the baby things.... 9 months would turn into like 18 months?
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Post by Aiko on Oct 11, 2008 11:59:01 GMT -5
yes, yes, i see what you guys are saying.... x]
lovely!
so: hair doesnt grow back, and babies take a longer time in the mother, but once they leave the womb they'll be a baby forever. for the sake of setting a date, does everyone agree that it should be roughly 18 months instead of 9, then? good idea, jester.
now, would the baby still evolve intelligently even though its body will stay the same? a baby's brain is still smaller and less withholding then an adult's... would it make sense ((to the extent of the curse, of course)) to have a talking baby or is that just completely absurd? >.<
although im still a bit irked about the whole plant/season thing... i'll give that one a rest. just say that plants're not affected by the curse. case closed. *sigh*
and i agree with the healing of the wounds taken outside the place; the point of the curse is to keep its visitor's alive, right? as to drive them insane. so, in a way, i think the curse is trying to keep them alive... so it'll let 'em heal, yea.
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Post by Ran on Oct 11, 2008 12:36:47 GMT -5
How about generally, the growth of objects and non-living things aren't affected?
The house and cleanliness are maintained by the 'Neutrals' after all.
In my opinion, -well I haven't done any amazing research like you guys on the site- everyone's just returning to their original healthy physical state at the point of entry. Therefore, no aging, and the super duper healing(Yay!).
So about the hair stuff, most likely it'd grow back to remain the same length and volume?
As for babies mm... I feel that the girls shouldn't be able to conceive at all. Original Healthy Physical State Theory. Furthermore, everyone's already immortal in the house. It's already crowded enough without the inhabitants propagating. And who wants babies crying and pooping for all eternity? ><
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Post by Aiko on Oct 11, 2008 14:08:20 GMT -5
its not really a matter of 'want', though, its a matter of 'if', dont you think? but i see what you're saying, ran, about the whole "original healthy physical state theory" concept.
i can see that it would suck if your hair and nails won't grow back once cut off forever. it would most defiantly be a form of punishment. =P i like that idea... that you return to your original healthy state.... hmmm.... that makes sense. except for the thing that emro said "egg + sperm = baby". you said healthy state, and being preg isn't necessarily unhealthy. :[ then again if you stay in that same state that you came in i suppose that makes sense... but that's like throwing some dough into an oven and telling everyone "it will not make bread!" -.-
im not even sure that im making sense any more... plus im hungry now... -.-;;
i shall ponder this more! x0
and wish for some more smartical inputs! ^__^
this is all truly interesting....
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Post by ♥Mimi♥ on Oct 12, 2008 16:04:33 GMT -5
Yeah the only place the curse don't touch is the hidden passage,so basically if you go in the passage and live there since it is like a maze you could age and thus have a baby XDDD.Basically houses curse lives,secret passage no curse so I hope that helps a little bit but yeah really who of use girls want a kid......up to you.
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